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  1. I wasn't sure if you wanted us to comment here or on the 2008 entry, so I'll comment here to keep it with the bulk of the content.

    Your points are interesting, but each of them are ever so slightly misinformed.

    The Dalai Lama is, as the Pope is to Catholics, the highest holy man to the TIBETAN Buddhists. But equating Tibetan Buddhism to all Buddhism is like equating fundamentalist southern baptists to all Christians.

    Buddhism, in it's original form, makes no claims as to the nature of the afterlife, nor anything “supernatural”. The closest organized form of Buddhism to this today is the Theravada school.

    As the original teachings of Gautama Siddhartha spread out from their source, they became intermingled with the cultures they overtook.Tibetan Buddhism assimilated the reincarnation religion of the tibetans. No other school of Buddhist thought, to my knowledge, proclaims any belief in reincarnation. I've found that most Buddhist schools of thought take the original core tenets as stated by the Buddha and wrap them in some sort of dogma I can't fully agree with.

    Also, your description of desire being the source of suffering is technically correct, but wholly misses the nuance that makes it sensible.

    The second noble truth says that suffering stems from X. Translation is a tricky business, so there are several words used for X. You use desire. I prefer Attachment. Both are right, but there is a subtle difference.

    I am not a fan of Koans, those enigmatic little sayings from zen buddhism that make no logical sense, but are supposed to make you think. (What's the sound of one hand clapping?).

    But one koan in particular really cemented for me what the Second Truth means.

    A monk asked Tozan, “How can we escape the cold and heat?” Tozan replied, “Why not go where there is no cold and heat?” “Is there such a place?” the monk asked. Tozan commented, “When cold, be thoroughly cold; when hot, be hot through and through.”

    Yes, gibberish. But it was an effective tool in helping me work through what it all meant.

    If you're cold, standing outside in the snow storm, it's not the cold that's making you suffer, it's your attachment to it. You can have a desire to be warm, that's logical, and doesn't make you suffer.

    But Standing there obsessing “Oh God I'm cold. So Cold, I wish I was inside. This is ridiculous, why am I out here in this blizzard when I could be warm inside?” is the suffering. It doesn't accomplish anything towards making you warmer, it just puts your mind in a “suffering state”. If you just accept that you're cold, shiver if you need to, stamp your feet and breathe into your hands, but remain calm and centered, you are cold, but not suffering. I've tried it. By remaining centered and tranquil, the cold is infinitely more bearable.

    For the record, I do not consider myself a Buddhist. Like you, I find the term has connotations of supernatural and dogmatic beliefs. I try to use the concepts of the original teachings of the Buddha in my life, combined with some Zen meditation practices.

    I would recommend a book called “Buddhism Without Beliefs” by Stephen Batchelor. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSource... )

    His approach is to take the original teachings of Gautama Siddhartha and present them in purely secular terms. The Buddha was not, and is not, a God. He was a man who lived, figured out something important, taught it to people, then died. It's a fantastic book that seriously helps offset the supernatural nature of “Organized” Buddhism.

  2. I don't think it's a bad post – critical analysis is never a bad thing. But your fundamental assumptions about Buddhism are flawed. I think this is common in people with a Western-centric focus to religion and spirituality.
    I also think it can be confusing to pick certain things and try and make them coherent – in the same way people get confused with contradictions in the Bible. You have to look at the larger picture.

    I think Chris's comment basically sums up what I was going to say, and in a much better way. But I do want to emphasize his point on desire and suffering. There is another Buddhist saying that goes: “pain is inevitable. suffering is optional”. The idea that desire is the cause of suffering is rooted in the idea that we grasp (and avoid) impermanence, and we can't deal with the idea that everything is always in flux. If instead we practiced acceptance (instead of yearning), we'd be free of a lot of suffering.

    As for God in Buddhism – in eastern philosophy, we realize that that “God” is nothing (and everything) more than the sum of all things, and that in order for us to wrap our brains around this idea, we have to bring God down to our level. So we ascribe the inascribable (did I make that up?) with characteristics that we can understand. Eastern religions are never solely theology – they are philosophy and psychology as well.

  3. I don't think it's a bad post – critical analysis is never a bad thing. But your fundamental assumptions about Buddhism are flawed. I think this is common in people with a Western-centric focus to religion and spirituality.
    I also think it can be confusing to pick certain things and try and make them coherent – in the same way people get confused with contradictions in the Bible. You have to look at the larger picture.

    I think Chris's comment basically sums up what I was going to say, and in a much better way. But I do want to emphasize his point on desire and suffering. There is another Buddhist saying that goes: “pain is inevitable. suffering is optional”. The idea that desire is the cause of suffering is rooted in the idea that we grasp (and avoid) impermanence, and we can't deal with the idea that everything is always in flux. If instead we practiced acceptance (instead of yearning), we'd be free of a lot of suffering.

    As for God in Buddhism – in eastern philosophy, we realize that that “God” is nothing (and everything) more than the sum of all things, and that in order for us to wrap our brains around this idea, we have to bring God down to our level. So we ascribe the inascribable (did I make that up?) with characteristics that we can understand. Eastern religions are never solely theology – they are philosophy and psychology as well.

  4. I wasn't sure if you wanted us to comment here or on the 2008 entry, so I'll comment here to keep it with the bulk of the content.

    Your points are interesting, but each of them are ever so slightly misinformed.

    The Dalai Lama is, as the Pope is to Catholics, the highest holy man to the TIBETAN Buddhists. But equating Tibetan Buddhism to all Buddhism is like equating fundamentalist southern baptists to all Christians.

    Buddhism, in it's original form, makes no claims as to the nature of the afterlife, nor anything “supernatural”. The closest organized form of Buddhism to this today is the Theravada school.

    As the original teachings of Gautama Siddhartha spread out from their source, they became intermingled with the cultures they overtook.Tibetan Buddhism assimilated the reincarnation religion of the tibetans. No other school of Buddhist thought, to my knowledge, proclaims any belief in reincarnation. I've found that most Buddhist schools of thought take the original core tenets as stated by the Buddha and wrap them in some sort of dogma I can't fully agree with.

    Also, your description of desire being the source of suffering is technically correct, but wholly misses the nuance that makes it sensible.

    The second noble truth says that suffering stems from X. Translation is a tricky business, so there are several words used for X. You use desire. I prefer Attachment. Both are right, but there is a subtle difference.

    I am not a fan of Koans, those enigmatic little sayings from zen buddhism that make no logical sense, but are supposed to make you think. (What's the sound of one hand clapping?).

    But one koan in particular really cemented for me what the Second Truth means.

    A monk asked Tozan, “How can we escape the cold and heat?” Tozan replied, “Why not go where there is no cold and heat?” “Is there such a place?” the monk asked. Tozan commented, “When cold, be thoroughly cold; when hot, be hot through and through.”

    Yes, gibberish. But it was an effective tool in helping me work through what it all meant.

    If you're cold, standing outside in the snow storm, it's not the cold that's making you suffer, it's your attachment to it. You can have a desire to be warm, that's logical, and doesn't make you suffer.

    But Standing there obsessing “Oh God I'm cold. So Cold, I wish I was inside. This is ridiculous, why am I out here in this blizzard when I could be warm inside?” is the suffering. It doesn't accomplish anything towards making you warmer, it just puts your mind in a “suffering state”. If you just accept that you're cold, shiver if you need to, stamp your feet and breathe into your hands, but remain calm and centered, you are cold, but not suffering. I've tried it. By remaining centered and tranquil, the cold is infinitely more bearable.

    For the record, I do not consider myself a Buddhist. Like you, I find the term has connotations of supernatural and dogmatic beliefs. I try to use the concepts of the original teachings of the Buddha in my life, combined with some Zen meditation practices.

    I would recommend a book called “Buddhism Without Beliefs” by Stephen Batchelor. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSource... )

    His approach is to take the original teachings of Gautama Siddhartha and present them in purely secular terms. The Buddha was not, and is not, a God. He was a man who lived, figured out something important, taught it to people, then died. It's a fantastic book that seriously helps offset the supernatural nature of “Organized” Buddhism.

  5. I don't think it's a bad post – critical analysis is never a bad thing. But your fundamental assumptions about Buddhism are flawed. I think this is common in people with a Western-centric focus to religion and spirituality.
    I also think it can be confusing to pick certain things and try and make them coherent – in the same way people get confused with contradictions in the Bible. You have to look at the larger picture.

    I think Chris's comment basically sums up what I was going to say, and in a much better way. But I do want to emphasize his point on desire and suffering. There is another Buddhist saying that goes: “pain is inevitable. suffering is optional”. The idea that desire is the cause of suffering is rooted in the idea that we grasp (and avoid) impermanence, and we can't deal with the idea that everything is always in flux. If instead we practiced acceptance (instead of yearning), we'd be free of a lot of suffering.

    As for God in Buddhism – in eastern philosophy, we realize that that “God” is nothing (and everything) more than the sum of all things, and that in order for us to wrap our brains around this idea, we have to bring God down to our level. So we ascribe the inascribable (did I make that up?) with characteristics that we can understand. Eastern religions are never solely theology – they are philosophy and psychology as well.