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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I for one am absolutely in favor of having the &#039;elite&#039; among us rise to the top of our leadership.   Isn&#039;t that just common sense?  You&#039;d think it would be but our society somehow has decided that elite = bad.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think the problem with the perception towards elite or elitism is mostly a result of some clever political marketing spin plus peoples built in dislike of arrogance.    When I think of the word &quot;elite&quot; I think of the &quot;best&quot;.  Thats good.   When I think of the word &quot;elitism&quot; I think of &quot;arrogant&quot; or &quot;snob&quot;.   Thats bad.   If you are running a political campaign and your candidate isn&#039;t part of the establisment or isn&#039;t viewed as highly intellectual as compared to their opponent then its in your best interest to paint the other side as bad.  You can use that &quot;elitism&quot; word to your advantage.   This is how the &quot;washington elite&quot; has been marketed as a bad thing.   Talking heads on TV and politicians will  spit the phrase out in connection of everything that is bad with our government then tie it to the other political side.   If they repeat the lie often enough then it can become truth.  Over time &quot;elite&quot; becomes associated with bad things.   Because people who are trying to get their guy elected said so and we heard it enough that we as a country start to buy into it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post.</p>
<p>I for one am absolutely in favor of having the &#39;elite&#39; among us rise to the top of our leadership.   Isn&#39;t that just common sense?  You&#39;d think it would be but our society somehow has decided that elite = bad.</p>
<p>I think the problem with the perception towards elite or elitism is mostly a result of some clever political marketing spin plus peoples built in dislike of arrogance.    When I think of the word &#8220;elite&#8221; I think of the &#8220;best&#8221;.  Thats good.   When I think of the word &#8220;elitism&#8221; I think of &#8220;arrogant&#8221; or &#8220;snob&#8221;.   Thats bad.   If you are running a political campaign and your candidate isn&#39;t part of the establisment or isn&#39;t viewed as highly intellectual as compared to their opponent then its in your best interest to paint the other side as bad.  You can use that &#8220;elitism&#8221; word to your advantage.   This is how the &#8220;washington elite&#8221; has been marketed as a bad thing.   Talking heads on TV and politicians will  spit the phrase out in connection of everything that is bad with our government then tie it to the other political side.   If they repeat the lie often enough then it can become truth.  Over time &#8220;elite&#8221; becomes associated with bad things.   Because people who are trying to get their guy elected said so and we heard it enough that we as a country start to buy into it.</p>
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		<title>By: Layneh</title>
		<link>http://www.bripblap.com/rebuilding-the-idea-of-elitism-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-29612</link>
		<dc:creator>Layneh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, elitism is something any educated person would aspire to achieve. The fact that on is educated is a step in that direction as well.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Most often heard in politics and on wall street, by those who class themselves as populists, or &quot;of the people&quot;, as to say commoners. Yet the idea that they do not seek elitism itself is hypocritical. To suggest that they (the populists) do not want to become elite would suggest they never want to achieve the highest levels of education, intellect or wealth (the later something all people seem to desire).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;These reasons alone tell me to think hard and long on political parties, one seems based upon a lie, where the other seems labeled an atrocity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, elitism is something any educated person would aspire to achieve. The fact that on is educated is a step in that direction as well.</p>
<p>Most often heard in politics and on wall street, by those who class themselves as populists, or &#8220;of the people&#8221;, as to say commoners. Yet the idea that they do not seek elitism itself is hypocritical. To suggest that they (the populists) do not want to become elite would suggest they never want to achieve the highest levels of education, intellect or wealth (the later something all people seem to desire).</p>
<p>These reasons alone tell me to think hard and long on political parties, one seems based upon a lie, where the other seems labeled an atrocity.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I for one am absolutely in favor of having the &#039;elite&#039; among us rise to the top of our leadership.   Isn&#039;t that just common sense?  You&#039;d think it would be but our society somehow has decided that elite = bad.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think the problem with the perception towards elite or elitism is mostly a result of some clever political marketing spin plus peoples built in dislike of arrogance.    When I think of the word &quot;elite&quot; I think of the &quot;best&quot;.  Thats good.   When I think of the word &quot;elitism&quot; I think of &quot;arrogant&quot; or &quot;snob&quot;.   Thats bad.   If you are running a political campaign and your candidate isn&#039;t part of the establisment or isn&#039;t viewed as highly intellectual as compared to their opponent then its in your best interest to paint the other side as bad.  You can use that &quot;elitism&quot; word to your advantage.   This is how the &quot;washington elite&quot; has been marketed as a bad thing.   Talking heads on TV and politicians will  spit the phrase out in connection of everything that is bad with our government then tie it to the other political side.   If they repeat the lie often enough then it can become truth.  Over time &quot;elite&quot; becomes associated with bad things.   Because people who are trying to get their guy elected said so and we heard it enough that we as a country start to buy into it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post.</p>
<p>I for one am absolutely in favor of having the &#39;elite&#39; among us rise to the top of our leadership.   Isn&#39;t that just common sense?  You&#39;d think it would be but our society somehow has decided that elite = bad.</p>
<p>I think the problem with the perception towards elite or elitism is mostly a result of some clever political marketing spin plus peoples built in dislike of arrogance.    When I think of the word &#8220;elite&#8221; I think of the &#8220;best&#8221;.  Thats good.   When I think of the word &#8220;elitism&#8221; I think of &#8220;arrogant&#8221; or &#8220;snob&#8221;.   Thats bad.   If you are running a political campaign and your candidate isn&#39;t part of the establisment or isn&#39;t viewed as highly intellectual as compared to their opponent then its in your best interest to paint the other side as bad.  You can use that &#8220;elitism&#8221; word to your advantage.   This is how the &#8220;washington elite&#8221; has been marketed as a bad thing.   Talking heads on TV and politicians will  spit the phrase out in connection of everything that is bad with our government then tie it to the other political side.   If they repeat the lie often enough then it can become truth.  Over time &#8220;elite&#8221; becomes associated with bad things.   Because people who are trying to get their guy elected said so and we heard it enough that we as a country start to buy into it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I for one am absolutely in favor of having the &#039;elite&#039; among us rise to the top of our leadership.   Isn&#039;t that just common sense?  You&#039;d think it would be but our society somehow has decided that elite = bad.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think the problem with the perception towards elite or elitism is mostly a result of some clever political marketing spin plus peoples built in dislike of arrogance.    When I think of the word &quot;elite&quot; I think of the &quot;best&quot;.  Thats good.   When I think of the word &quot;elitism&quot; I think of &quot;arrogant&quot; or &quot;snob&quot;.   Thats bad.   If you are running a political campaign and your candidate isn&#039;t part of the establisment or isn&#039;t viewed as highly intellectual as compared to their opponent then its in your best interest to paint the other side as bad.  You can use that &quot;elitism&quot; word to your advantage.   This is how the &quot;washington elite&quot; has been marketed as a bad thing.   Talking heads on TV and politicians will  spit the phrase out in connection of everything that is bad with our government then tie it to the other political side.   If they repeat the lie often enough then it can become truth.  Over time &quot;elite&quot; becomes associated with bad things.   Because people who are trying to get their guy elected said so and we heard it enough that we as a country start to buy into it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post.</p>
<p>I for one am absolutely in favor of having the &#39;elite&#39; among us rise to the top of our leadership.   Isn&#39;t that just common sense?  You&#39;d think it would be but our society somehow has decided that elite = bad.</p>
<p>I think the problem with the perception towards elite or elitism is mostly a result of some clever political marketing spin plus peoples built in dislike of arrogance.    When I think of the word &#8220;elite&#8221; I think of the &#8220;best&#8221;.  Thats good.   When I think of the word &#8220;elitism&#8221; I think of &#8220;arrogant&#8221; or &#8220;snob&#8221;.   Thats bad.   If you are running a political campaign and your candidate isn&#39;t part of the establisment or isn&#39;t viewed as highly intellectual as compared to their opponent then its in your best interest to paint the other side as bad.  You can use that &#8220;elitism&#8221; word to your advantage.   This is how the &#8220;washington elite&#8221; has been marketed as a bad thing.   Talking heads on TV and politicians will  spit the phrase out in connection of everything that is bad with our government then tie it to the other political side.   If they repeat the lie often enough then it can become truth.  Over time &#8220;elite&#8221; becomes associated with bad things.   Because people who are trying to get their guy elected said so and we heard it enough that we as a country start to buy into it.</p>
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		<title>By: Layneh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Layneh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, elitism is something any educated person would aspire to achieve. The fact that on is educated is a step in that direction as well.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Most often heard in politics and on wall street, by those who class themselves as populists, or &quot;of the people&quot;, as to say commoners. Yet the idea that they do not seek elitism itself is hypocritical. To suggest that they (the populists) do not want to become elite would suggest they never want to achieve the highest levels of education, intellect or wealth (the later something all people seem to desire).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;These reasons alone tell me to think hard and long on political parties, one seems based upon a lie, where the other seems labeled an atrocity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, elitism is something any educated person would aspire to achieve. The fact that on is educated is a step in that direction as well.</p>
<p>Most often heard in politics and on wall street, by those who class themselves as populists, or &#8220;of the people&#8221;, as to say commoners. Yet the idea that they do not seek elitism itself is hypocritical. To suggest that they (the populists) do not want to become elite would suggest they never want to achieve the highest levels of education, intellect or wealth (the later something all people seem to desire).</p>
<p>These reasons alone tell me to think hard and long on political parties, one seems based upon a lie, where the other seems labeled an atrocity.</p>
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		<title>By: guinness416</title>
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		<dc:creator>guinness416</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s getting very Daily Mail in here!  I&#039;ve been following an interesting freakonomics blog thread about where south asian immigrants should give their charitable donations (I&#039;m married to a SA guy and he has his own opinions on the subject) and some comments there are just appalled at the elitism they see built in to the original article.  You do see that in some immigrants - a complete befuddlement as to why youse natural born yanks don&#039;t have the attitude in your third paragraph there by default.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s getting very Daily Mail in here!  I&#39;ve been following an interesting freakonomics blog thread about where south asian immigrants should give their charitable donations (I&#39;m married to a SA guy and he has his own opinions on the subject) and some comments there are just appalled at the elitism they see built in to the original article.  You do see that in some immigrants &#8211; a complete befuddlement as to why youse natural born yanks don&#39;t have the attitude in your third paragraph there by default.</p>
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		<title>By: bripblap</title>
		<link>http://www.bripblap.com/rebuilding-the-idea-of-elitism-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-26639</link>
		<dc:creator>bripblap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 12:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@FP - no, you&#039;re absolutely correct - some of the most important things in life don&#039;t require a test, and (somehow) it would be nice if they did.  You have to get a license to clean out plumbing, but not to have children.  It&#039;s a little bit crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@FP &#8211; no, you&#39;re absolutely correct &#8211; some of the most important things in life don&#39;t require a test, and (somehow) it would be nice if they did.  You have to get a license to clean out plumbing, but not to have children.  It&#39;s a little bit crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 11:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are several fascinating books by a guy named Richard Florida about the new/future creative class, and about how certain cities seem to be welcoming and attracting this new creative class.  This sounds like what you are getting at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are several fascinating books by a guy named Richard Florida about the new/future creative class, and about how certain cities seem to be welcoming and attracting this new creative class.  This sounds like what you are getting at.</p>
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		<title>By: PDF digitale Signatur</title>
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		<dc:creator>PDF digitale Signatur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 07:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how can you tell if your smart or not.. and the difference between elite and elitist.. got me confused a lot..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how can you tell if your smart or not.. and the difference between elite and elitist.. got me confused a lot..</p>
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		<title>By: Four Pillars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Four Pillars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 02:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to be the elite - intellectually, financially etc - I think the mark of every ambitious person is that they want to be better than everyone else.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for voting tests - I know it&#039;s almost a cliche, but how but minimum standards to be a parent??  Hmmmm??  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to be the elite &#8211; intellectually, financially etc &#8211; I think the mark of every ambitious person is that they want to be better than everyone else.</p>
<p>As for voting tests &#8211; I know it&#39;s almost a cliche, but how but minimum standards to be a parent??  Hmmmm??  <img src='http://www.bripblap.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 01:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I just couldn&#039;t resist.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But actually, what I was getting at is that once there is -any- &quot;definition&quot; of what is an elite, the definition itself becomes a self-reinforcing enemy to progress. I think it&#039;s important to have a dialogue about what the definition -should be-, but beyond that, there needs to be room for the definition to evolve. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think right now, we both agree that there needs to be change. What I&#039;m saying, though, is that the change cannot be just another change in a static definition. The change needs to be a move from a static definition to a dynamic definition, if you will. Today we need people who are dedicated and intelligent. What if we have different needs in the future? In other words, I do not think &#039;elite&#039; should be a word that is agreed upon, because it would indicate a sort of stagnation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I just couldn&#39;t resist.</p>
<p>But actually, what I was getting at is that once there is -any- &#8220;definition&#8221; of what is an elite, the definition itself becomes a self-reinforcing enemy to progress. I think it&#39;s important to have a dialogue about what the definition -should be-, but beyond that, there needs to be room for the definition to evolve. </p>
<p>I think right now, we both agree that there needs to be change. What I&#39;m saying, though, is that the change cannot be just another change in a static definition. The change needs to be a move from a static definition to a dynamic definition, if you will. Today we need people who are dedicated and intelligent. What if we have different needs in the future? In other words, I do not think &#39;elite&#39; should be a word that is agreed upon, because it would indicate a sort of stagnation.</p>
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		<title>By: plonkee</title>
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		<dc:creator>plonkee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bripblap:&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s ok, I&#039;m forever qualifying words I use about myself. I normally end up saying that I&#039;m liberal by every definition - because it&#039;s kind of true, not better.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think it&#039;s funny that I claim to be well educated, and yet failed to spell it correctly earler :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bripblap:<br />That&#39;s ok, I&#39;m forever qualifying words I use about myself. I normally end up saying that I&#39;m liberal by every definition &#8211; because it&#39;s kind of true, not better.</p>
<p>I think it&#39;s funny that I claim to be well educated, and yet failed to spell it correctly earler <img src='http://www.bripblap.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: bripblap</title>
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		<dc:creator>bripblap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sarah:  I understand your point, and you&#039;re right that if the &#039;elite&#039; standard is judged by who has the prettiest hair, it&#039;s a bad sort of elite.   But that&#039;s really what I was getting at - I would like to think the idea of &#039;elite&#039; could be reclaimed and rebranded from simply &quot;people who inherit wealth&quot; or &quot;people who attend an Ivy&quot; to something better and more - in my opinion - useful.  Whether you think that&#039;s possible is probably a function of optimism (and I was feeling optimistic when I wrote it).  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And yes, I&#039;m sure we&#039;ve all seen what having an &quot;old definition&quot; elite President has done for us.  Let&#039;s see what the &quot;new definition&quot; elite President will do for us now... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sarah:  I understand your point, and you&#39;re right that if the &#39;elite&#39; standard is judged by who has the prettiest hair, it&#39;s a bad sort of elite.   But that&#39;s really what I was getting at &#8211; I would like to think the idea of &#39;elite&#39; could be reclaimed and rebranded from simply &#8220;people who inherit wealth&#8221; or &#8220;people who attend an Ivy&#8221; to something better and more &#8211; in my opinion &#8211; useful.  Whether you think that&#39;s possible is probably a function of optimism (and I was feeling optimistic when I wrote it).  </p>
<p>And yes, I&#39;m sure we&#39;ve all seen what having an &#8220;old definition&#8221; elite President has done for us.  Let&#39;s see what the &#8220;new definition&#8221; elite President will do for us now&#8230; <img src='http://www.bripblap.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: bripblap</title>
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		<dc:creator>bripblap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@plonkee:  In the phrase about a liberal mindset I was just trying to draw the distinction between the political use of the word and the &quot;open mind&quot; sense of the word, just in that phrase.  I wasn&#039;t making any statement about politics.  Politically I&#039;m sure it&#039;s fairly obvious that I am a center-left American, although I know that probably still leaves me to the right of 99% of Europeans :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@plonkee:  In the phrase about a liberal mindset I was just trying to draw the distinction between the political use of the word and the &#8220;open mind&#8221; sense of the word, just in that phrase.  I wasn&#39;t making any statement about politics.  Politically I&#39;m sure it&#39;s fairly obvious that I am a center-left American, although I know that probably still leaves me to the right of 99% of Europeans <img src='http://www.bripblap.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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