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]]> By: enricodesimone http://www.bripblap.com/corporatis/comment-page-1/#comment-26450 enricodesimone Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:24:11 +0000 http://www.bripblap.com/?p=530#comment-26450 Il superamento della attuale crisi mondiale a seguito della globalizzazione dei mercati rende ancora piu' fragile le tesi deifederalisti e richiede e rafforza il corporativismo inteso come unione produttiva delle corporazioni delle attivita' economiche che potrebbero sovrapporsi ai governi nello sfruttamento delle risorse e degli impieghi. I profitti sarebbero subordinati alle lineedi sviluppo impresse dalla globalizzazione delle programmazioni corporative verso le queli i rispettivi governi assumerebbero atteggiamenti di supporto strumentale nelle politiche fiscali e creditizie volte allea produzioone e quindi alla occupazione predefinita Il superamento della attuale crisi mondiale a seguito della globalizzazione dei mercati rende ancora piu' fragile le tesi deifederalisti e richiede e rafforza il corporativismo inteso come unione produttiva delle corporazioni delle attivita' economiche che potrebbero sovrapporsi ai governi nello sfruttamento delle risorse e degli impieghi. I profitti sarebbero subordinati alle lineedi sviluppo impresse dalla globalizzazione delle programmazioni corporative verso le queli i rispettivi governi assumerebbero atteggiamenti di supporto strumentale nelle politiche fiscali e creditizie volte allea produzioone e quindi alla occupazione predefinita

]]> By: enricodesimone http://www.bripblap.com/corporatis/comment-page-1/#comment-26045 enricodesimone Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:18:02 +0000 http://www.bripblap.com/?p=530#comment-26045 Capitalismo corporativo non societario-individualistico con pseudo concorrenza. La sovranita' rimane del popolo con elezioni generali di organo sovraordinato alle corporazioni delle attivita' economiche e non lobby da capitalismo giungla Capitalismo corporativo non societario-individualistico con pseudo concorrenza. La sovranita' rimane del popolo con elezioni generali di organo sovraordinato alle corporazioni delle attivita' economiche e non lobby da capitalismo giungla

]]> By: enricodesimone http://www.bripblap.com/corporatis/comment-page-1/#comment-25953 enricodesimone Sun, 05 Oct 2008 03:35:33 +0000 http://www.bripblap.com/?p=530#comment-25953 Il corporativismo democratico supera anche il federalismo alla Diogleziano - che pure vedrebbe superate le regioni a statuto speciale -, perche' evita pericoli scissionisti delle regioni piu' tributarie Il corporativismo democratico supera anche il federalismo alla Diogleziano – che pure vedrebbe superate le regioni a statuto speciale -, perche' evita pericoli scissionisti delle regioni piu' tributarie

]]> By: enricodesimone http://www.bripblap.com/corporatis/comment-page-1/#comment-25493 enricodesimone Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:37:03 +0000 http://www.bripblap.com/?p=530#comment-25493 corporativismo collettivo delle imprese associate e non individualistico della concorrenza sfenata e distruttivao dispersiva: autonomia e disciplina di categorie e programmazione intercorporazione corporativismo collettivo delle imprese associate e non individualistico della concorrenza sfenata e distruttivao dispersiva: autonomia e disciplina di categorie e programmazione intercorporazione

]]> By: enricodesimone http://www.bripblap.com/corporatis/comment-page-1/#comment-25494 enricodesimone Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:37:03 +0000 http://www.bripblap.com/?p=530#comment-25494 corporativismo collettivo delle imprese associate e non individualistico della concorrenza sfenata e distruttivao dispersiva: autonomia e disciplina di categorie e programmazione intercorporazione corporativismo collettivo delle imprese associate e non individualistico della concorrenza sfenata e distruttivao dispersiva: autonomia e disciplina di categorie e programmazione intercorporazione

]]> By: enricodesimone http://www.bripblap.com/corporatis/comment-page-1/#comment-25491 enricodesimone Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:32:28 +0000 http://www.bripblap.com/?p=530#comment-25491 sono rimasti i nomi ed il commento? sono rimasti i nomi ed il commento?

]]> By: enricodesimone http://www.bripblap.com/corporatis/comment-page-1/#comment-25492 enricodesimone Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:32:28 +0000 http://www.bripblap.com/?p=530#comment-25492 sono rimasti i nomi ed il commento? sono rimasti i nomi ed il commento?

]]> By: enricodesimone http://www.bripblap.com/corporatis/comment-page-1/#comment-25490 enricodesimone Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:28:27 +0000 http://www.bripblap.com/?p=530#comment-25490 Corporatismo new e' collettivismo privato e non individualismo sfrenato senza fusione con lo Stato Corporatismo new e' collettivismo privato e non individualismo sfrenato senza fusione con lo Stato

]]> By: bripblap http://www.bripblap.com/corporatis/comment-page-1/#comment-25261 bripblap Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:12:38 +0000 http://www.bripblap.com/?p=530#comment-25261 Curmudgeon, taxes absolutely influence cultural behaviors. Look at the mortgage interest deduction, or the ability to deduct state taxes against federal taxes. If either one of those was repealed, I would get out of NJ faster than you could say boo - in the Northeast the huge mortgages and massive states taxes are at least slightly offset by their deductibility. VAT discourages low-margin services. A flat tax on income would discourage working at lower wages. On and on, the simple fact is that most taxes discourage SOMETHING. The only real hope is to have them be as equitable and intelligent as possible (a tax on gas to fund solar power research, for example). Curmudgeon, taxes absolutely influence cultural behaviors. Look at the mortgage interest deduction, or the ability to deduct state taxes against federal taxes. If either one of those was repealed, I would get out of NJ faster than you could say boo – in the Northeast the huge mortgages and massive states taxes are at least slightly offset by their deductibility. VAT discourages low-margin services. A flat tax on income would discourage working at lower wages. On and on, the simple fact is that most taxes discourage SOMETHING. The only real hope is to have them be as equitable and intelligent as possible (a tax on gas to fund solar power research, for example).

]]> By: Curmudgeon http://www.bripblap.com/corporatis/comment-page-1/#comment-25187 Curmudgeon Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:29:27 +0000 http://www.bripblap.com/?p=530#comment-25187 Another thought . . . the double taxation discussion got me to thinking about the European VAT, where a tax is applied whenever value is added to a product. I was reading an article recently that claimed that despite shorter work weeks and longer vacations, Europeans work just as hard as Americans. Because of the lack of well-developed service industries (fast food, housekeeping, etc.), Europeans are more likely to do such work themselves, whereas in the US, we are likely to take more advantage of available services. I wonder if that's *because* of the VAT. Because value adds are taxed, they are discouraged from developing those industries that we take for granted that make our lives a bit easier. Interesting speculation about the ability of taxes to influence cultural behaviors. Another thought . . . the double taxation discussion got me to thinking about the European VAT, where a tax is applied whenever value is added to a product. I was reading an article recently that claimed that despite shorter work weeks and longer vacations, Europeans work just as hard as Americans. Because of the lack of well-developed service industries (fast food, housekeeping, etc.), Europeans are more likely to do such work themselves, whereas in the US, we are likely to take more advantage of available services.

I wonder if that’s *because* of the VAT. Because value adds are taxed, they are discouraged from developing those industries that we take for granted that make our lives a bit easier. Interesting speculation about the ability of taxes to influence cultural behaviors.

]]> By: Curmudgeon http://www.bripblap.com/corporatis/comment-page-1/#comment-25054 Curmudgeon Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:48:22 +0000 http://www.bripblap.com/?p=530#comment-25054 Okay, if not fair, how about simple? I curse that I have to spend many hours doing my taxes manually, or spend money to have someone else do them or buy software to automate them. What Congress has created for both individuals and corporations is the Accountants and Attorneys Full Employment Act (sorry, Steve). And regarding fairness, I would rather be treated with mercy. I don't think I would particularly care to be the recipient of someone else's idea of fair. Okay, if not fair, how about simple? I curse that I have to spend many hours doing my taxes manually, or spend money to have someone else do them or buy software to automate them. What Congress has created for both individuals and corporations is the Accountants and Attorneys Full Employment Act (sorry, Steve).

And regarding fairness, I would rather be treated with mercy. I don’t think I would particularly care to be the recipient of someone else’s idea of fair.

]]> By: Steve http://www.bripblap.com/corporatis/comment-page-1/#comment-24808 Steve Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:03:52 +0000 http://www.bripblap.com/?p=530#comment-24808 I'll try to address all the comments in general. I agree that the article was all over the map, but the simple fact is this: if I'm an individual in America, and I make $100, then spend $100, I owe tax on the $100. If I'm a corporation and do the same, I pay taxes on the net $0 - i.e., nothing. To DGI's and Bill's points, though, I have always been mystified by the complaints about double taxation. I'm not sure it's so much double taxation as the rate of taxation. I don't think there's any problem with taking taxes from several different revenue streams, for precisely the reason Bill mentions - we don't want one revenue stream to be totally "tax free" and therefore wildly preferable to the others. Think of a national sales tax: I am a law-abiding citizen but if I had a 30% tax on my consumption, it would be a lot easier to avoid that than our current income tax is to avoid. And even if the milk was taxed at 2%, the company shipping that milk to the store would be paying 30% more for the truck, for the materials to make milk boxes, etc. - those costs would end up with the consumer. I personally don't think any taxation system can be "fair." I think in the US more tweaking could make the system "fairer" - but too much tweaking has been done already. I’ll try to address all the comments in general. I agree that the article was all over the map, but the simple fact is this: if I’m an individual in America, and I make $100, then spend $100, I owe tax on the $100. If I’m a corporation and do the same, I pay taxes on the net $0 – i.e., nothing. To DGI’s and Bill’s points, though, I have always been mystified by the complaints about double taxation. I’m not sure it’s so much double taxation as the rate of taxation. I don’t think there’s any problem with taking taxes from several different revenue streams, for precisely the reason Bill mentions – we don’t want one revenue stream to be totally “tax free” and therefore wildly preferable to the others. Think of a national sales tax: I am a law-abiding citizen but if I had a 30% tax on my consumption, it would be a lot easier to avoid that than our current income tax is to avoid. And even if the milk was taxed at 2%, the company shipping that milk to the store would be paying 30% more for the truck, for the materials to make milk boxes, etc. – those costs would end up with the consumer.

I personally don’t think any taxation system can be “fair.” I think in the US more tweaking could make the system “fairer” – but too much tweaking has been done already.

]]> By: Bill http://www.bripblap.com/corporatis/comment-page-1/#comment-24743 Bill Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:40:04 +0000 http://www.bripblap.com/?p=530#comment-24743 All of the comments above are valid. It all boils down to what you believe is "fair." Sure, corporations are treated like individuals in the sense that they are afforded certain provisions (like bankruptcy, individual indemnity from lawsuits against the corporation, etc.) but they truly aren't people. People should pay taxes. People run corporations. The best way that people would pay their "fair share" is through a national sales tax: Generally speaking, the more you consume, the more you pay in taxes. There could (should) be provisions in there that say milk gets taxed at 2% but yachts at 35%. You could make a non-regressive/progressive tax out of an income-neutral tax. It would be all about consumption. (I hate double taxation. It affects each one of us every day. To buy a TV, for example, you pay tax on the income you made to buy it in the first place and you pay sales tax. OR, you pay an income tax on the dividend and/or capital gain you made on an investment, then you pay a sales tax. Furthermore, the company you work for or invested in has presumably been taxed on any income it derived from doing business.) If you don't have any employment income but you're able to buy yachts and planes, you'll pay your fair share in taxes (i.e., your source of funds comes through passive or investment income). If you're rich, but don't work (inheritance?), and you spend little money, you pay less in taxes. You'll still pay a good sum -- after all, your need for food, shelter, and clothing will always exist, and with those necessities come goods and services that you have to buy -- and best of all, you can't cheat the system. Okay, you can cheat the system by participating in the black market. But that's against the law and nobody would do that, right? :) All of the comments above are valid. It all boils down to what you believe is “fair.” Sure, corporations are treated like individuals in the sense that they are afforded certain provisions (like bankruptcy, individual indemnity from lawsuits against the corporation, etc.) but they truly aren’t people.

People should pay taxes. People run corporations. The best way that people would pay their “fair share” is through a national sales tax: Generally speaking, the more you consume, the more you pay in taxes. There could (should) be provisions in there that say milk gets taxed at 2% but yachts at 35%. You could make a non-regressive/progressive tax out of an income-neutral tax. It would be all about consumption.

(I hate double taxation. It affects each one of us every day. To buy a TV, for example, you pay tax on the income you made to buy it in the first place and you pay sales tax. OR, you pay an income tax on the dividend and/or capital gain you made on an investment, then you pay a sales tax. Furthermore, the company you work for or invested in has presumably been taxed on any income it derived from doing business.)

If you don’t have any employment income but you’re able to buy yachts and planes, you’ll pay your fair share in taxes (i.e., your source of funds comes through passive or investment income). If you’re rich, but don’t work (inheritance?), and you spend little money, you pay less in taxes.

You’ll still pay a good sum — after all, your need for food, shelter, and clothing will always exist, and with those necessities come goods and services that you have to buy — and best of all, you can’t cheat the system.

Okay, you can cheat the system by participating in the black market. But that’s against the law and nobody would do that, right? :)

]]> By: Dividend Growth Investor http://www.bripblap.com/corporatis/comment-page-1/#comment-24729 Dividend Growth Investor Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:18:01 +0000 http://www.bripblap.com/?p=530#comment-24729 Great point Jim. The CNN article headline is written in a way to attract readers. I am always amazed that newspapers and media consider US people stupid. When you read the whole article you'll see that they use revenues and net income interchangeably which is not correct. If I made $100 from work I have an income of $100; however if I bought bicycles and I bought a bike for $200 and sold it for $100 I did have revenues but also a huge loss. I don't think I should be paying taxes on it,should i? In addition to that corporations are taxed twice- at the corporate level as well as at the ownership level. Whenever shareholders get dividends, they give a certain percentage bvack to Uncle Sam in the form of taxes. Corporations pay so much in taxes at the end of the day, that sometimes I wonder if its better to work than form a corporation. Another popular news story that makes me angry is whenever XOM earns 11-12 billion per quarter. Everyone claims that XOM is a greedy corporation. The truth is that in 2007 XOM paid 30 billion in income taxes and had a profit of 40 billion. Great point Jim. The CNN article headline is written in a way to attract readers. I am always amazed that newspapers and media consider US people stupid.
When you read the whole article you’ll see that they use revenues and net income interchangeably which is not correct.
If I made $100 from work I have an income of $100; however if I bought bicycles and I bought a bike for $200 and sold it for $100 I did have revenues but also a huge loss. I don’t think I should be paying taxes on it,should i?
In addition to that corporations are taxed twice- at the corporate level as well as at the ownership level. Whenever shareholders get dividends, they give a certain percentage bvack to Uncle Sam in the form of taxes.
Corporations pay so much in taxes at the end of the day, that sometimes I wonder if its better to work than form a corporation.
Another popular news story that makes me angry is whenever XOM earns 11-12 billion per quarter. Everyone claims that XOM is a greedy corporation. The truth is that in 2007 XOM paid 30 billion in income taxes and had a profit of 40 billion.

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