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		<title>By: farm fencing</title>
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		<dc:creator>farm fencing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a few subjects that are between the humanities and science categories; for example, some argue that psychology and sociology are science, yet others say they are not and are in the humanities.</description>
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		<title>By: sundae1888</title>
		<link>http://www.bripblap.com/a-clear-and-present-danger-the-humanities/comment-page-1/#comment-11541</link>
		<dc:creator>sundae1888</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 23:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at the article non-sarcastically:

From a pure economics standpoint, if more people goes into technical fields because of the higher pay, the pay for those jobs would decrease thanks to the supply.  Additionally, the pay for humanities jobs would (hopefully) increase if the market really calls for X% of population being great poets/fiction novelists/writers.

As long as we make sure the people with (arts) degree are not working as burger flippers or other low-paying jobs they overly qualified for, whether government offers more/less aids to arts/engineering does not affect the government&#039;s coffer too much in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at the article non-sarcastically:</p>
<p>From a pure economics standpoint, if more people goes into technical fields because of the higher pay, the pay for those jobs would decrease thanks to the supply.  Additionally, the pay for humanities jobs would (hopefully) increase if the market really calls for X% of population being great poets/fiction novelists/writers.</p>
<p>As long as we make sure the people with (arts) degree are not working as burger flippers or other low-paying jobs they overly qualified for, whether government offers more/less aids to arts/engineering does not affect the government&#8217;s coffer too much in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: The Financial Blogger &#124; February Top Ten</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Financial Blogger &#124; February Top Ten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Steve (Brip Blap)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve (Brip Blap)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@deepali:  Well, yes, there are a million places the US could cut back.  I would actually like to see education made easily available... to anyone who meets basic requirements (grades, test scores, writing a strong essay, whatever - just something).  And I would agree that education is a means to lifting people out of poverty but a big pet peeve of mine is to point out that it is not a COLLEGE education only that does that.  Education can come from community colleges, trade schools, seminars, etc.  The US subsidizes college education but won&#039;t give you a loan to attend a &quot;get out of debt&quot; workshop.  

And I certainly think education in the humanities is critical for anyone - I keep my education up to this day through the boring old-fashioned method of reading classic literature and history and philosophy - sans tuition!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@deepali:  Well, yes, there are a million places the US could cut back.  I would actually like to see education made easily available&#8230; to anyone who meets basic requirements (grades, test scores, writing a strong essay, whatever &#8211; just something).  And I would agree that education is a means to lifting people out of poverty but a big pet peeve of mine is to point out that it is not a COLLEGE education only that does that.  Education can come from community colleges, trade schools, seminars, etc.  The US subsidizes college education but won&#8217;t give you a loan to attend a &#8220;get out of debt&#8221; workshop.  </p>
<p>And I certainly think education in the humanities is critical for anyone &#8211; I keep my education up to this day through the boring old-fashioned method of reading classic literature and history and philosophy &#8211; sans tuition!</p>
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		<title>By: deepali</title>
		<link>http://www.bripblap.com/a-clear-and-present-danger-the-humanities/comment-page-1/#comment-11459</link>
		<dc:creator>deepali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno.  At the end of the day, it&#039;s only money.  If we&#039;re really so concerned, I imagine the war in Iraq, the subsidies to McDonalds and agriculture, and foreign aid to Israel might be better places to consider cutting back. 
Education, in any form, is a proven means of lifting people out of poverty... Working at McDs isn&#039;t (and the only one benefiting there is McDs - and how!). 

And actually, as someone who bridges the &quot;divide&quot; between the hard sciences and the humanities - I wish MORE doctors, engineers and financiers had training in ethics and sociology!  

Anyway - very thought-provoking, if sarcastic. :)

In an ironic way, Steve, some of your commenters sort of prove why education in the humanities is a necessary thing (particularly ethics and history)... Eugenics anyone?  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno.  At the end of the day, it&#8217;s only money.  If we&#8217;re really so concerned, I imagine the war in Iraq, the subsidies to McDonalds and agriculture, and foreign aid to Israel might be better places to consider cutting back.<br />
Education, in any form, is a proven means of lifting people out of poverty&#8230; Working at McDs isn&#8217;t (and the only one benefiting there is McDs &#8211; and how!). </p>
<p>And actually, as someone who bridges the &#8220;divide&#8221; between the hard sciences and the humanities &#8211; I wish MORE doctors, engineers and financiers had training in ethics and sociology!  </p>
<p>Anyway &#8211; very thought-provoking, if sarcastic. <img src='http://www.bripblap.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>In an ironic way, Steve, some of your commenters sort of prove why education in the humanities is a necessary thing (particularly ethics and history)&#8230; Eugenics anyone?  <img src='http://www.bripblap.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Steve (Brip Blap)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve (Brip Blap)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 04:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm, I find it quite interesting that several people found it a better post non-sarcastically than sarcastically!  Just goes to show you - different strokes for different folks.

Actually I&#039;m sure there&#039;s some value to some of the sarcastic points I made, but I still feel that there is some intrinsic value in something like a French major.  I think that if the US encourages comp sci or engineering, great - but I don&#039;t think we need to be so draconian to assume that music education, for example, is worthless and doesn&#039;t deserve at least some subsidizing.

I guess it&#039;s a point that can be argued either way!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm, I find it quite interesting that several people found it a better post non-sarcastically than sarcastically!  Just goes to show you &#8211; different strokes for different folks.</p>
<p>Actually I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s some value to some of the sarcastic points I made, but I still feel that there is some intrinsic value in something like a French major.  I think that if the US encourages comp sci or engineering, great &#8211; but I don&#8217;t think we need to be so draconian to assume that music education, for example, is worthless and doesn&#8217;t deserve at least some subsidizing.</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s a point that can be argued either way!</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 03:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I am TOTALLY for the government offering more aid and cheaper aid to those willing to obtain a degree in math, engineering, the sciences, or computer technology.  Not just so those people can have higher salaries, pay more taxes, and be more likely to pay back their loans, but because this country needs to stay competitive in those fields - and we aren&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I am TOTALLY for the government offering more aid and cheaper aid to those willing to obtain a degree in math, engineering, the sciences, or computer technology.  Not just so those people can have higher salaries, pay more taxes, and be more likely to pay back their loans, but because this country needs to stay competitive in those fields &#8211; and we aren&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 03:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mostly agree with the article, sans sarcasm.  The reason tuition has ballooned like it has is largely because of government subsidies.  Schools will do anything they can to absorb the billions of dollars being passed out every year by Uncle Sam - which means continually raising tuition to put it out of the reach of most Americans.  

So while I think some of these govn subsidies are totally justifiable, there should be limits, not the least of which should include graduating in a timely manner and maintaining good grades.  And schools whose tuition is paid mostly by govn aid should be held accountable and  regulated as to how they use their tuition dollars and how often they raise tuition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mostly agree with the article, sans sarcasm.  The reason tuition has ballooned like it has is largely because of government subsidies.  Schools will do anything they can to absorb the billions of dollars being passed out every year by Uncle Sam &#8211; which means continually raising tuition to put it out of the reach of most Americans.  </p>
<p>So while I think some of these govn subsidies are totally justifiable, there should be limits, not the least of which should include graduating in a timely manner and maintaining good grades.  And schools whose tuition is paid mostly by govn aid should be held accountable and  regulated as to how they use their tuition dollars and how often they raise tuition.</p>
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		<title>By: SJean</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh also, there ARE cutoffs on federal aid if your grades fall too low.

But then students typically just go get private loans.... Ug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh also, there ARE cutoffs on federal aid if your grades fall too low.</p>
<p>But then students typically just go get private loans&#8230;. Ug.</p>
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		<title>By: SJean</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I agree with it more as a non-sarcastic article than as a sarcastic one!  Though taken at face value it is obviously too extreme, the notion that (nearly) everyone should go to college and study something is a little silly to my mind.
  
I think there is a lot of waste in the college system, and I&#039;ve seen first hand people waste years of their lives dilly dallying through generals on student loans with no purpose...  Not really getting a true education, but just delaying being a productive member of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I agree with it more as a non-sarcastic article than as a sarcastic one!  Though taken at face value it is obviously too extreme, the notion that (nearly) everyone should go to college and study something is a little silly to my mind.</p>
<p>I think there is a lot of waste in the college system, and I&#8217;ve seen first hand people waste years of their lives dilly dallying through generals on student loans with no purpose&#8230;  Not really getting a true education, but just delaying being a productive member of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Early Retirement Extreme</title>
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		<dc:creator>Early Retirement Extreme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Queercents &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Queercents Weekly Roundup: Goes to the Movies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Queercents &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Queercents Weekly Roundup: Goes to the Movies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 03:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Early Retirement Extreme</title>
		<link>http://www.bripblap.com/a-clear-and-present-danger-the-humanities/comment-page-1/#comment-10976</link>
		<dc:creator>Early Retirement Extreme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This tack has actually been taken by a number of European governments. The problem is that higher education does not make people smart or more intelligent. Rather it serves as a function of a) separating the rich parents&#039; kids from the poor parents&#039; kids b) getting money from students to fund the university sports center + a bunch of professors who are researching increasingly irrelevant subjects c) regulating entry to the job market. The more young people there are demographically speaking the higher the degree is required. 

I think the idea that education leads to a more productive society is wrong. Hard work and intelligence leads to productivity. What happens when we send 70% to college instead of 30% is simply that the levels are dumped down. To keep getting the cream of the crop education is extended for the smarter part (the 30%). The other 40% get a degree that no longer means a lot. So it is not increased education that leads to more productivity. Rather it is increasing productivity that leads to the country being able to afford parking their young in essentially unproductive endeavors for increasing amounts of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This tack has actually been taken by a number of European governments. The problem is that higher education does not make people smart or more intelligent. Rather it serves as a function of a) separating the rich parents&#8217; kids from the poor parents&#8217; kids b) getting money from students to fund the university sports center + a bunch of professors who are researching increasingly irrelevant subjects c) regulating entry to the job market. The more young people there are demographically speaking the higher the degree is required. </p>
<p>I think the idea that education leads to a more productive society is wrong. Hard work and intelligence leads to productivity. What happens when we send 70% to college instead of 30% is simply that the levels are dumped down. To keep getting the cream of the crop education is extended for the smarter part (the 30%). The other 40% get a degree that no longer means a lot. So it is not increased education that leads to more productivity. Rather it is increasing productivity that leads to the country being able to afford parking their young in essentially unproductive endeavors for increasing amounts of time.</p>
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		<title>By: Free From Broke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Free From Broke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Four Pillars - I don&#039;t think degrees should be given out to anyone that wants one.  But if someone genuinely wants to earn one they should be able to.  It used to be that a high school diploma meant a lot.  Then it was a college degree.  Now an advanced degree is needed in a lot of fields.  The better educated our country is the more productive we will be and the better for our economy.  

@ Steve - Mick may have done better with the economy but Greenspan wouldn&#039;t be able to pull off the tight pants!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Four Pillars &#8211; I don&#8217;t think degrees should be given out to anyone that wants one.  But if someone genuinely wants to earn one they should be able to.  It used to be that a high school diploma meant a lot.  Then it was a college degree.  Now an advanced degree is needed in a lot of fields.  The better educated our country is the more productive we will be and the better for our economy.  </p>
<p>@ Steve &#8211; Mick may have done better with the economy but Greenspan wouldn&#8217;t be able to pull off the tight pants!</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Micah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs. Micah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironically, Steve, Micah has a BA in Computer Science. So I guess he went the other way from your dad---though they&#039;re both interested in AI and such. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironically, Steve, Micah has a BA in Computer Science. So I guess he went the other way from your dad&#8212;though they&#8217;re both interested in AI and such. <img src='http://www.bripblap.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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