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		<title>By: Steve (Brip Blap)</title>
		<link>http://www.bripblap.com/2008/the-simplest-actions-have-profound-effects/comment-page-1/#comment-17419</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve (Brip Blap)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 12:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dana:  Well, comparing non-sustainable crop farming with sustainable farm animal raising is obviously going to be a loser for those crops.  Organically and - more importantly - sustainably raised crops will always be better for the environment than raising animals.  To raise enough animals - i.e. protein - to feed the world&#039;s population using sustainable methods would be difficult if not impossible.   So I do agree that population growth is important, but reducing our animal flesh intake and eating locally, sustainably raised crops would on balance be better for the planet.     &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.emagazine.com/view/?142&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This article&lt;/a&gt; has some interesting facts about meat-eating.  &quot;According to the British group Vegfam, a 10-acre farm can support 60 people growing soybeans, 24 people growing wheat, 10 people growing corn and only two producing cattle. Britain—with 56 million people—could support a population of 250 million on an all-vegetable diet. Because 90 percent of U.S. and European meat eaters’ grain consumption is indirect (first being fed to animals), westerners each consume 2,000 pounds of grain a year. Most grain in underdeveloped countries is consumed directly. While it is true that many animals graze on land that would be unsuitable for cultivation, the demand for meat has taken millions of productive acres away from farm inventories. &quot;

And as for the soap, it&#039;s similar to a discussion I had with a commentator at the Giving Hands about the soap.  They claimed to use the same ceramic cup for tea all the time, to use tap water - no soap at all - to rinse it out  and dump the waste water into a nearby flowerbed and put tea bags into compost.  Of course if you are diligent, and use soap carefully and water sparingly a reusable cup is better.  My point was simply that if anyone thinks they&#039;re doing something wonderful for the environment by washing a cheaply-made coffee cup with the average store-bought dishwashing liquid every time they use it, they might be better off using a foam cup 3 or 4 times for their coffee that day and then tossing it.  Obviously (I hope) that&#039;s a case of recommending the lesser evil, rather than a recommendation for a lifetime philosophy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dana:  Well, comparing non-sustainable crop farming with sustainable farm animal raising is obviously going to be a loser for those crops.  Organically and &#8211; more importantly &#8211; sustainably raised crops will always be better for the environment than raising animals.  To raise enough animals &#8211; i.e. protein &#8211; to feed the world&#8217;s population using sustainable methods would be difficult if not impossible.   So I do agree that population growth is important, but reducing our animal flesh intake and eating locally, sustainably raised crops would on balance be better for the planet.     <a href="http://www.emagazine.com/view/?142" rel="nofollow">This article</a> has some interesting facts about meat-eating.  &#8220;According to the British group Vegfam, a 10-acre farm can support 60 people growing soybeans, 24 people growing wheat, 10 people growing corn and only two producing cattle. Britain—with 56 million people—could support a population of 250 million on an all-vegetable diet. Because 90 percent of U.S. and European meat eaters’ grain consumption is indirect (first being fed to animals), westerners each consume 2,000 pounds of grain a year. Most grain in underdeveloped countries is consumed directly. While it is true that many animals graze on land that would be unsuitable for cultivation, the demand for meat has taken millions of productive acres away from farm inventories. &#8221;</p>
<p>And as for the soap, it&#8217;s similar to a discussion I had with a commentator at the Giving Hands about the soap.  They claimed to use the same ceramic cup for tea all the time, to use tap water &#8211; no soap at all &#8211; to rinse it out  and dump the waste water into a nearby flowerbed and put tea bags into compost.  Of course if you are diligent, and use soap carefully and water sparingly a reusable cup is better.  My point was simply that if anyone thinks they&#8217;re doing something wonderful for the environment by washing a cheaply-made coffee cup with the average store-bought dishwashing liquid every time they use it, they might be better off using a foam cup 3 or 4 times for their coffee that day and then tossing it.  Obviously (I hope) that&#8217;s a case of recommending the lesser evil, rather than a recommendation for a lifetime philosophy.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Seilhan</title>
		<link>http://www.bripblap.com/2008/the-simplest-actions-have-profound-effects/comment-page-1/#comment-17403</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana Seilhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 23:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Steve, what &quot;toxic cleaning fluids&quot; are you talking about re: cleaning that cup?  How about just good old-fashioned soap?  I hear the Romans discovered it when ashes from their sacrificial pyres mixed with the fat of the animals they sacrificed.  (Ashes = lye.)  That&#039;s pretty natural, I would think.  I&#039;ve heard of people using Dr. Bronner&#039;s to wash dishes and they seem pretty happy with it;  I haven&#039;t tried it yet but I&#039;d like to.  I make a point of purchasing the one brand of vegetable-based dish soap that Kroger carries, since they&#039;re the closest grocery to me.  I wash my little girl&#039;s apples with it (just one tiny drop will do and a little water, then rinse well), and she does not seem to be the worse for wear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Steve, what &#8220;toxic cleaning fluids&#8221; are you talking about re: cleaning that cup?  How about just good old-fashioned soap?  I hear the Romans discovered it when ashes from their sacrificial pyres mixed with the fat of the animals they sacrificed.  (Ashes = lye.)  That&#8217;s pretty natural, I would think.  I&#8217;ve heard of people using Dr. Bronner&#8217;s to wash dishes and they seem pretty happy with it;  I haven&#8217;t tried it yet but I&#8217;d like to.  I make a point of purchasing the one brand of vegetable-based dish soap that Kroger carries, since they&#8217;re the closest grocery to me.  I wash my little girl&#8217;s apples with it (just one tiny drop will do and a little water, then rinse well), and she does not seem to be the worse for wear.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Seilhan</title>
		<link>http://www.bripblap.com/2008/the-simplest-actions-have-profound-effects/comment-page-1/#comment-17402</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana Seilhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 23:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The farming of soy and other crops causes fertilizer runoff into the watershed which causes a serious imbalance in ocean life, eventually, which sucks the life out of huge regions underwater.  There is a dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico right now because the &quot;breadbasket of America&quot; drains into that body of water.  Poof.  No more fish.

Additionally, there is some concern that certain compounds in soy lead to health problems in adults and birth defects in boys if their mothers ate too much soy while they were in utero.

On top of that, you have to clear fields to grow big crops like soy, which means cutting trees, which accelerates the global warming rate.  Contrary to popular opinion, you don&#039;t have to clear fields to raise cattle, or any other kind of farm animal either.  Truth.  I knew this was true of pigs, goats, and chickens (we had chickens when I was in high school and their coop was at the edge of the woods, under the trees and out of the sun), but I looked it up and it&#039;s true for cattle too.  On top of that, ruminant animals and birds can eat plants that human beings can&#039;t, turning those plants into energy that we can use.

I agree that our industrial methods of raising farm animals for human consumption are completely messed up and are contributing to global warming and the destruction of the planetary ecosystem, BUT, if you raise them in a way that suits their natures and their nutritional needs, you actually benefit the environment more than if you grow a field of soy.  You benefit people&#039;s health, too, in the long run.

And of course the primary issue is there are just too darned many people on this planet.  Until we solve that problem, unless we&#039;re willing to make a whole lot of people live under police state conditions and monitor their every move, we&#039;re not going to solve the larger ecological problems no matter what we&#039;re eating.  And while the damage we will do really concerns me, the fact that we are headed for a major human die-off if we keep up the way we&#039;re going scares me even more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The farming of soy and other crops causes fertilizer runoff into the watershed which causes a serious imbalance in ocean life, eventually, which sucks the life out of huge regions underwater.  There is a dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico right now because the &#8220;breadbasket of America&#8221; drains into that body of water.  Poof.  No more fish.</p>
<p>Additionally, there is some concern that certain compounds in soy lead to health problems in adults and birth defects in boys if their mothers ate too much soy while they were in utero.</p>
<p>On top of that, you have to clear fields to grow big crops like soy, which means cutting trees, which accelerates the global warming rate.  Contrary to popular opinion, you don&#8217;t have to clear fields to raise cattle, or any other kind of farm animal either.  Truth.  I knew this was true of pigs, goats, and chickens (we had chickens when I was in high school and their coop was at the edge of the woods, under the trees and out of the sun), but I looked it up and it&#8217;s true for cattle too.  On top of that, ruminant animals and birds can eat plants that human beings can&#8217;t, turning those plants into energy that we can use.</p>
<p>I agree that our industrial methods of raising farm animals for human consumption are completely messed up and are contributing to global warming and the destruction of the planetary ecosystem, BUT, if you raise them in a way that suits their natures and their nutritional needs, you actually benefit the environment more than if you grow a field of soy.  You benefit people&#8217;s health, too, in the long run.</p>
<p>And of course the primary issue is there are just too darned many people on this planet.  Until we solve that problem, unless we&#8217;re willing to make a whole lot of people live under police state conditions and monitor their every move, we&#8217;re not going to solve the larger ecological problems no matter what we&#8217;re eating.  And while the damage we will do really concerns me, the fact that we are headed for a major human die-off if we keep up the way we&#8217;re going scares me even more.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve (Brip Blap)</title>
		<link>http://www.bripblap.com/2008/the-simplest-actions-have-profound-effects/comment-page-1/#comment-17347</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve (Brip Blap)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 01:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@skube:  Can&#039;t argue with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@skube:  Can&#8217;t argue with that.</p>
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		<title>By: skube</title>
		<link>http://www.bripblap.com/2008/the-simplest-actions-have-profound-effects/comment-page-1/#comment-17261</link>
		<dc:creator>skube</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 16:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about riding a bicycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about riding a bicycle.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve (Brip Blap)</title>
		<link>http://www.bripblap.com/2008/the-simplest-actions-have-profound-effects/comment-page-1/#comment-17166</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve (Brip Blap)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 12:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@deepali:  I&#039;ll buy all of that - it sounds reasonable.  At the same time, what&#039;s the cost of the water expended to wash a ceramic cup?  A lot of that water is no longer potable since it&#039;s flush with toxic &quot;cleaning&quot; fluids, too.  

I think if you use a ceramic cup and only wash it once a day and then just with a small amount of clean tap water you&#039;d be on the right track.  My point was just that if you must use a foam or paper cup, reuse it a couple of times and you&#039;ve massively reduced your impact.  Obviously using a foam cup once and tossing it is bad, but I think washing out your ceramic cup every time you drink out of it has an impact, too. 

Of course it&#039;s nothing compared to taking a plane flight, driving a car, buying stuff with excess packaging, etc.  You can drive yourself crazy worrying about minor effects when making one big life change - taking the bus instead of driving to work, for example - would make a far, far larger impact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@deepali:  I&#8217;ll buy all of that &#8211; it sounds reasonable.  At the same time, what&#8217;s the cost of the water expended to wash a ceramic cup?  A lot of that water is no longer potable since it&#8217;s flush with toxic &#8220;cleaning&#8221; fluids, too.  </p>
<p>I think if you use a ceramic cup and only wash it once a day and then just with a small amount of clean tap water you&#8217;d be on the right track.  My point was just that if you must use a foam or paper cup, reuse it a couple of times and you&#8217;ve massively reduced your impact.  Obviously using a foam cup once and tossing it is bad, but I think washing out your ceramic cup every time you drink out of it has an impact, too. </p>
<p>Of course it&#8217;s nothing compared to taking a plane flight, driving a car, buying stuff with excess packaging, etc.  You can drive yourself crazy worrying about minor effects when making one big life change &#8211; taking the bus instead of driving to work, for example &#8211; would make a far, far larger impact.</p>
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		<title>By: green thinking</title>
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		<dc:creator>green thinking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 06:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing is unthinkable, nothing impossible to the balanced person, provided it arises out of the needs of life and is dedicated to life&#039;s further developments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing is unthinkable, nothing impossible to the balanced person, provided it arises out of the needs of life and is dedicated to life&#8217;s further developments.</p>
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		<title>By: deepali</title>
		<link>http://www.bripblap.com/2008/the-simplest-actions-have-profound-effects/comment-page-1/#comment-17116</link>
		<dc:creator>deepali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 17:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great list, though I also take exception to the foam cup. :)

Regarding foam cups - you do have to take into account waste volume, as well as the breakdown of the chemicals that make up a foam cup (and leach out of landfills into ground water, which then requires additional energy input at the water treatment plant).  For that matter, the production of the foam cup requires a large amount of energy input earlier up the chain (as it is a petroleum byproduct) and also contributes to the production of VOCs and other pollutants. 

And when it comes to material intensity (which can be tied up with energy input), then we are looking at more of a 100:1 parity than 1000:1 (I confess I just went downstairs to the engineers to ask about this). 

That being said, I don&#039;t actually see foam cups being used all that often...  don&#039;t most places give out paper cups now?

So what&#039;s the solution?  Use a jar.  :)


And I have recently started unplugging my appliances...  unfortunately, I did so around the time the weather warmed up, so we aren&#039;t using the heat/AC, so I can&#039;t separate out the drop in our electric bill....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great list, though I also take exception to the foam cup. <img src='http://www.bripblap.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Regarding foam cups &#8211; you do have to take into account waste volume, as well as the breakdown of the chemicals that make up a foam cup (and leach out of landfills into ground water, which then requires additional energy input at the water treatment plant).  For that matter, the production of the foam cup requires a large amount of energy input earlier up the chain (as it is a petroleum byproduct) and also contributes to the production of VOCs and other pollutants. </p>
<p>And when it comes to material intensity (which can be tied up with energy input), then we are looking at more of a 100:1 parity than 1000:1 (I confess I just went downstairs to the engineers to ask about this). </p>
<p>That being said, I don&#8217;t actually see foam cups being used all that often&#8230;  don&#8217;t most places give out paper cups now?</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s the solution?  Use a jar.  <img src='http://www.bripblap.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And I have recently started unplugging my appliances&#8230;  unfortunately, I did so around the time the weather warmed up, so we aren&#8217;t using the heat/AC, so I can&#8217;t separate out the drop in our electric bill&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: telly</title>
		<link>http://www.bripblap.com/2008/the-simplest-actions-have-profound-effects/comment-page-1/#comment-17093</link>
		<dc:creator>telly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 11:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Mike, I don&#039;t stop for coffee at the coffee shop or make it at home (except for weekends), I enjoy the free coffee at work and I do reuse the foam cups here at least 3 times (over a few days), but you&#039;re right...I do have a ceramic mug sitting on my desk as well. :(  I just can&#039;t help it, the coffee stays warmer in the foam cup (even without a lid).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Mike, I don&#8217;t stop for coffee at the coffee shop or make it at home (except for weekends), I enjoy the free coffee at work and I do reuse the foam cups here at least 3 times (over a few days), but you&#8217;re right&#8230;I do have a ceramic mug sitting on my desk as well. <img src='http://www.bripblap.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />   I just can&#8217;t help it, the coffee stays warmer in the foam cup (even without a lid).</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 02:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great points, and a great reminder.  What I see as key in your article is that we can each make small strides, and together with everyone else, this can have a huge effect.  I need to remember that, and just look for small steps I can take.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points, and a great reminder.  What I see as key in your article is that we can each make small strides, and together with everyone else, this can have a huge effect.  I need to remember that, and just look for small steps I can take.</p>
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