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		<title>By: Chad @ Sentient Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad @ Sentient Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all for a voting test.  It doesn&#039;t even have to be difficult.  It can be current president, current 2 senators, find the U.S. on a globe, find the countries we are at war with on a globe (hopefully that one isn&#039;t on most tests), etc.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, the test doesn&#039;t really do much good until the term &quot;elite&quot; is restored to it&#039;s proper place, which would then probably make the test unnecessary.  When education and intelligence (not mutually inclusive) are looked down upon, one test can&#039;t solve anything.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One of the biggest problems we have right now is that the intelligent and stupid are grouped and seperated by society.  30 years ago intelligent people did all types of work and generally stayed close to home.  Now most, but not all, intelligent people don&#039;t do construction, manufacturing, etc.  These intelligent people probably provided a dissenting view in the same social class.  Thus, the intelligent person&#039;s view would be more respected, as it wouldn&#039;t seem to come from an &quot;elite.&quot;  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On top of that the majority of intelligent people leave small and medium sized towns for cities.  The majority of people leaving those towns for the cities are on the intelligent side of the bell curve.  Thus, small town America is seeing a brain drain, so they see anyone of intelligence as an &quot;elite.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am by no means saying manual labor and small towns only have stupid people.  I am only saying that they have fewer smart/intelligent people than they had 30-50 years ago.  Thus, we get the current &quot;elite&quot; definition, as this group of people has less exposure to intelligent thought and feels more isolated than before.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I grew up in a family with almost all manual laborers and in a small town, so this isn&#039;t the opinion of someone who grew up &quot;elite.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m all for a voting test.  It doesn&#39;t even have to be difficult.  It can be current president, current 2 senators, find the U.S. on a globe, find the countries we are at war with on a globe (hopefully that one isn&#39;t on most tests), etc.</p>
<p>However, the test doesn&#39;t really do much good until the term &#8220;elite&#8221; is restored to it&#39;s proper place, which would then probably make the test unnecessary.  When education and intelligence (not mutually inclusive) are looked down upon, one test can&#39;t solve anything.</p>
<p>One of the biggest problems we have right now is that the intelligent and stupid are grouped and seperated by society.  30 years ago intelligent people did all types of work and generally stayed close to home.  Now most, but not all, intelligent people don&#39;t do construction, manufacturing, etc.  These intelligent people probably provided a dissenting view in the same social class.  Thus, the intelligent person&#39;s view would be more respected, as it wouldn&#39;t seem to come from an &#8220;elite.&#8221;  </p>
<p>On top of that the majority of intelligent people leave small and medium sized towns for cities.  The majority of people leaving those towns for the cities are on the intelligent side of the bell curve.  Thus, small town America is seeing a brain drain, so they see anyone of intelligence as an &#8220;elite.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am by no means saying manual labor and small towns only have stupid people.  I am only saying that they have fewer smart/intelligent people than they had 30-50 years ago.  Thus, we get the current &#8220;elite&#8221; definition, as this group of people has less exposure to intelligent thought and feels more isolated than before.</p>
<p>I grew up in a family with almost all manual laborers and in a small town, so this isn&#39;t the opinion of someone who grew up &#8220;elite.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chad @ Sentient Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad @ Sentient Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all for a voting test.  It doesn&#039;t even have to be difficult.  It can be current president, current 2 senators, find the U.S. on a globe, find the countries we are at war with on a globe (hopefully that one isn&#039;t on most tests), etc.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, the test doesn&#039;t really do much good until the term &quot;elite&quot; is restored to it&#039;s proper place, which would then probably make the test unnecessary.  When education and intelligence (not mutually inclusive) are looked down upon, one test can&#039;t solve anything.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One of the biggest problems we have right now is that the intelligent and stupid are grouped and seperated by society.  30 years ago intelligent people did all types of work and generally stayed close to home.  Now most, but not all, intelligent people don&#039;t do construction, manufacturing, etc.  These intelligent people probably provided a dissenting view in the same social class.  Thus, the intelligent person&#039;s view would be more respected, as it wouldn&#039;t seem to come from an &quot;elite.&quot;  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On top of that the majority of intelligent people leave small and medium sized towns for cities.  The majority of people leaving those towns for the cities are on the intelligent side of the bell curve.  Thus, small town America is seeing a brain drain, so they see anyone of intelligence as an &quot;elite.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am by no means saying manual labor and small towns only have stupid people.  I am only saying that they have fewer smart/intelligent people than they had 30-50 years ago.  Thus, we get the current &quot;elite&quot; definition, as this group of people has less exposure to intelligent thought and feels more isolated than before.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I grew up in a family with almost all manual laborers and in a small town, so this isn&#039;t the opinion of someone who grew up &quot;elite.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m all for a voting test.  It doesn&#39;t even have to be difficult.  It can be current president, current 2 senators, find the U.S. on a globe, find the countries we are at war with on a globe (hopefully that one isn&#39;t on most tests), etc.</p>
<p>However, the test doesn&#39;t really do much good until the term &#8220;elite&#8221; is restored to it&#39;s proper place, which would then probably make the test unnecessary.  When education and intelligence (not mutually inclusive) are looked down upon, one test can&#39;t solve anything.</p>
<p>One of the biggest problems we have right now is that the intelligent and stupid are grouped and seperated by society.  30 years ago intelligent people did all types of work and generally stayed close to home.  Now most, but not all, intelligent people don&#39;t do construction, manufacturing, etc.  These intelligent people probably provided a dissenting view in the same social class.  Thus, the intelligent person&#39;s view would be more respected, as it wouldn&#39;t seem to come from an &#8220;elite.&#8221;  </p>
<p>On top of that the majority of intelligent people leave small and medium sized towns for cities.  The majority of people leaving those towns for the cities are on the intelligent side of the bell curve.  Thus, small town America is seeing a brain drain, so they see anyone of intelligence as an &#8220;elite.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am by no means saying manual labor and small towns only have stupid people.  I am only saying that they have fewer smart/intelligent people than they had 30-50 years ago.  Thus, we get the current &#8220;elite&#8221; definition, as this group of people has less exposure to intelligent thought and feels more isolated than before.</p>
<p>I grew up in a family with almost all manual laborers and in a small town, so this isn&#39;t the opinion of someone who grew up &#8220;elite.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: FFB</title>
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		<dc:creator>FFB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Voting requirement?  Do most people even vote?  Maybe that&#039;s a bigger question?  Unfortunately there are probably too many logistical problems in wanting to have easy questions answered.  Heck, we can&#039;t even get standardized voting and there&#039;s still lots of controversy over that!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I do agree with periodic driving tests.  Maybe every ten years for all drivers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Voting requirement?  Do most people even vote?  Maybe that&#39;s a bigger question?  Unfortunately there are probably too many logistical problems in wanting to have easy questions answered.  Heck, we can&#39;t even get standardized voting and there&#39;s still lots of controversy over that!</p>
<p>I do agree with periodic driving tests.  Maybe every ten years for all drivers?</p>
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		<title>By: easy voter guide &#124; Digg hot tags</title>
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		<dc:creator>easy voter guide &#124; Digg hot tags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Vote  are you fit to be a citizen? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Writer&#39;s Coin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Writer&#39;s Coin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an interesting oath. I was born and raised outside the US but my mother is American so I was granted citizenship automatically. But the oath is weird because I have a passport and am a citizen of the US and the country I was born in. So the oath doesn&#039;t really hold water...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s an interesting oath. I was born and raised outside the US but my mother is American so I was granted citizenship automatically. But the oath is weird because I have a passport and am a citizen of the US and the country I was born in. So the oath doesn&#39;t really hold water&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: deepali</title>
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		<dc:creator>deepali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i took the citizenship test (distinctly remember being asked &#039;what is the constitution?&#039;) to be naturalized.  now i live in a &#039;state&#039; with no vote. taxation without representation indeed.  it&#039;s a sad joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i took the citizenship test (distinctly remember being asked &#39;what is the constitution?&#39;) to be naturalized.  now i live in a &#39;state&#39; with no vote. taxation without representation indeed.  it&#39;s a sad joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Early Retirement Extreme</title>
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		<dc:creator>Early Retirement Extreme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about no taxation without representation for us permanent residents ;-P&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Some observations/comments:&lt;br&gt;I can just about pass the citizenship test for myCountry, but I&#039;m a fairly well studied individual. I know many people can&#039;t. It is ironic that those that are the loudest about requiring these tests for immigrants often can&#039;t pass them themselves.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; If those US test questions are representative, they definitely display the spirit of America: &quot;Do you habitually try to measure and test everything by quantifying it into irrelevant numbers?&quot; :-D I have this theory that the form of the test is much more important than the content of the test ... you&#039;re being taught a particular way to think ... not so much what to think about, sadly.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is quite likely that filing the USCIS paperwork is a much bigger challenge than passing the test :-P&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We already have a test of ideological purity. It is is called a college degree: conform, follow instructions, and stay in the box, mentally and physically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about no taxation without representation for us permanent residents ;-P</p>
<p>Some observations/comments:<br />I can just about pass the citizenship test for myCountry, but I&#39;m a fairly well studied individual. I know many people can&#39;t. It is ironic that those that are the loudest about requiring these tests for immigrants often can&#39;t pass them themselves.</p>
<p> If those US test questions are representative, they definitely display the spirit of America: &#8220;Do you habitually try to measure and test everything by quantifying it into irrelevant numbers?&#8221; <img src='http://www.bripblap.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' />  I have this theory that the form of the test is much more important than the content of the test &#8230; you&#39;re being taught a particular way to think &#8230; not so much what to think about, sadly.</p>
<p>It is quite likely that filing the USCIS paperwork is a much bigger challenge than passing the test <img src='http://www.bripblap.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>We already have a test of ideological purity. It is is called a college degree: conform, follow instructions, and stay in the box, mentally and physically.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I figured the &quot;What do the stripes mean?&quot; question wanted the fact that there were thirteen stripes for the 13 original colonies, but maybe not. I say it&#039;s a bad question.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just about anyone who spends 12-13 years in the American public school system will have had most of these questions on a test they took at some point, but they don&#039;t necessarily remember any of them now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I figured the &#8220;What do the stripes mean?&#8221; question wanted the fact that there were thirteen stripes for the 13 original colonies, but maybe not. I say it&#39;s a bad question.</p>
<p>Just about anyone who spends 12-13 years in the American public school system will have had most of these questions on a test they took at some point, but they don&#39;t necessarily remember any of them now.</p>
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		<title>By: guinness416</title>
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		<dc:creator>guinness416</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew you&#039;d smoke plonkee out of the bushes with that one .... I am in the process of applying for Canuck citizenship this christmas, and have read through the material for the test a couple of times.  There is so much of it I didn&#039;t know!  Most of us are immigrants in my office, but I plan on testing the native coworkers soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew you&#39;d smoke plonkee out of the bushes with that one &#8230;. I am in the process of applying for Canuck citizenship this christmas, and have read through the material for the test a couple of times.  There is so much of it I didn&#39;t know!  Most of us are immigrants in my office, but I plan on testing the native coworkers soon.</p>
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		<title>By: bripblap</title>
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		<dc:creator>bripblap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@plonkee:  The July 4th thing was actually just a joke on my part... but that wasn&#039;t very clear.  Oops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@plonkee:  The July 4th thing was actually just a joke on my part&#8230; but that wasn&#39;t very clear.  Oops.</p>
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